I'll give you credit for admitting it's over your head, but I think what Zam's getting at is that when you haven't been somewhere, it's best not to make assumptions, because you don't know all the details.There's been a tradition of Penguins fans going to Washington DC for Penguins/Capitals games, even when attendance in Pittsburgh wasn't as impressive as last year. A lot of Pens fans make the roadtrip to Buffalo too. There's always a group of people who can afford to travel and go to games in other arenas. They're giving your team money... And why should anyone be deprived of seeing a game in a different arena? I've never been to an away game; I'd love to though.Maybe the Avalanche needs to do what the Pens did this year---make local people their first priority. I feel bad for out-of-state or transplanted Penguins fans, but the Pens have a limited amount of tickets available to people not from PA.By the way, I don't think the Caps were happy about the Pens fans out-cheering them in the last Caps/Pens game in DC: _http://capitals.nhl.com/team/app/?servicâ€¦ Loool.
or they can just go to the tin lizzy downtown and hang out with those other wingie fans! did you ever think that maybe those were the smart detroit fans actually that escaped the economic gloom? ever see robocop? it takes place in the detroit of the future, scary huh?
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Detroit just passed Cleveland this year for the highest welfare rate in the country. See, Detroit is #1 in everything, lol. The automotive industry is probably the most struggeling industry in the US right, so obviously the Motor City is feeling the worst of that. I think we see a lot of Wings fans in the oppositions building because a lot of Michigan natives have been forced to move in order to find greener pastures, that and the Wings got a lot of bandwagon fans from all around the country back in the mid 90s that just stuck with them. Busnisses in the area are having to cut their budgets, which means many arent buying season tickets, This is the first year in god knows how long that you can still buy season tickets at this time of year. There are other factors that play into it though. The Pistons and Tigers are much better than they were a few a years ago so theirs a lot more competition in Detroit. Losing veterans like Yzerman and Shannahan makes it feel like a completely differant team. Like other people mentioned, some fans have grown complacent after so much success. During the mid 90s, you couldnt drive around anywhere near the metro Detroit area without seeing a million Wings flags on peoples cars. I try to go to Detroit every couple months (I had to move because of the auto industry), but I dont remember the last time I have seen one of those flags on someones car.I get pretty mad everytime I read an article talking about their ticket problems because the team really deserves better than that. I made it up there to attend a preseason game and hope to go back in about a month or so, but making it up there for a game is pretty tough, which I think is the same problem many loyal Wings fans have. Hopefully things turn around in the area, but it doesnt look good.
And i quote "I don't think Detroit is dead as a hockey city" lol well i do!,oh and I think rockies are gunna ownnnnn, sorry bob, but your Phills are going down.Red sox vs. Rockies for world series.either way i love both these teams so i wouldnt be able to cheer, i would just watch.it would be SOOOO Much better if it was Jays vs. Mets.Comming from a bias Die hard jays fan and partial die hard mets fan.
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Hockey won't pick up in Detroit again until they return to "Old Time" hockey. They're used to guys like Howe & Yzerman there... Now they got Datsyuk, Zetterberg, & Holmstrom??? All very talented players.... But it's just not Detroit's style.Plus the region is financially hurting from all the declining US auto sales and ticket prices just keep going up.... It's unreal. The NHL still doesn't really get it.
The economy in Detroit sucks really bad. No one can afford a ticket especially because our governor (Jennifer Granholm) keeps raising taxes. We are hockey town!! as soon as we get our economy going we will sell consecutive seasons after another. The reason why you see Redwings fans at the pepsi center is because there not from Detroit there just a fan of the Redwings. The wings got the most fans out of any other hockey team from other cities. Just compare them tot he Yankees, you will always see a Yankees fan, at any baseball game you go to.
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The tickets have been expensive leading up to the lock-out and didn't go down after the NHL started up again, which turned some fans off.What really doesn't/didn't help them was the sudden rise of the Pistons a few years back and the Tigers last year (I won't include the Lions until they win another playoff game).When the Red Wings were really good in the 90's, it was basically just themselves to compete with in the city. Now, it's 10 year later and people are torn between which team to see (and the economy hasn't really help that much either; we recently had our state government shut down [for a total of 4 hours] because there wasn't a budget).As for the Hockeytown thing....It was a PR thing that they created in 1996 to attract people to the Joe. This was after the Wings set the record for most points in a season and before they won the Stanley Cup the next two seasons. Besides, it's Hockeytown, USA, which is fitting since we have won more cups than any team in the USA.Added: Okay, first of all, I think the Lions get sold out because they play only 8 eight games and those tickets are bought so that people at home can watch the game. There have been many times that the Lions needed an extension so that their games wouldn't be blacked-out.The Pistons sell out, or should I say sell more, because the prices are lower than at the Joe. They also have several other things going on around the game than just the game itself (damn those bells and whistles).The Tigers are selling out because they've just became a top tier team and the prices are pretty good, considering.It could also be that the Pistons, Tigers, and Lions are the fresh "new thing" in town and you see more bandwagon fans jumping over their than at the Joe.
Well The Minnesota Wild will sell out tonight, because that is the True State of Hockey. People always ask what the best city for NHL hockey is, and the clear answer is St. Paul, in the U.S. We have been to the playoffs only twice now, but we have sold out every game since they became a team in 2000.
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Are you serious? That would be like saying why don't all fans stay at home and watch the game on tv! What kind of fan are you anyway? A couch potato no doubt. You probably don't know this but the Red Wings are one of the few teams that have a waiting list just to be considered for season tickets. A friend of mine got on the list with her dad after graduating college. Her name finally came up AFTER she completed law school and many years of law practice before she was ever contacted regarding season tickets! They have a SOLID fan base. They even sell their STANDING ROOM ONLY area tickets and they get GOOD money for the privilege to STAND and watch the Wings play ...I've never seen another team or town so totally behind their team and not afraid to show it. The JOE could use a major overhaul though it is dirty, the seats are OLD and GROSS...with the money Mike Illitch rakes in on his teams and Little Ceasars's he should do the fans a favor and UPGRADE!!! Hockeytown will never die!
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Well, that would make perfect sense if it were not for the fact that the Rockies played in Philly and it was long OVER by the time the Avalanche played. To be fair to Detroit, apparently they are having economic problems there AND it is often fans get bored of constant success for some reason. The Braves in the MLB got to that point as well.
Michigan's economy is in the tank. People with masters degrees are cashiers at Walfart, and people with bachelor's can't get a job period. If people can barely afford housing and food they're sure as hell not going to spend money on hockey tickets. It has nothing to do with the Wings on-ice product.
Maybe they are busy waiting for the squid shipment. Actually, I don't know but I would venture a guess that it has to do with the B word. I think the differnce between a sellout or not are the casual sports fans. As I see it, the NHL is doing its best to turn off the traditional fan in favor of attracting the "entertainable" fan. Then there is the natural attrition factor at work too as we all can't live forever, jobs don't last forever, and the Cup winning players move on to other teams or retire. I think when Yzerman retired that his absence made the team - dare I say - less appealing to fans who really idolized him. I'm sure its for many reasons, not the least of which are the arenas that are built for huge crowds.
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hmmm....you don't want our money?Detroit....Michigan in general is in a state of lull...finacially. I guess the folks that get to attend in Colorado are affluent.The working class people...or blue collar........(the sport of hockey used to be a blue collar sport) are having a tough enough time right now affording gas and taxes. There is a waiting list for season tickets....so the general seating may not be filled because people had to buy groceries that week.
I do stay home.Last spring was the first time I can remember the announcers NOT announce a sell out croud at the Joe, It's really agravating actually.The Wings are not the gritty beat your @ss kind of team they used to be in the 90's and the early to 2000's.....They still win games like they used to, but not the same way. Fan favorites like Yzerman, Shanahan, MacCarty, even Fedorov, are not there any more.The fans also are probably sick of seeing losers like Chicago, Colombus, and St. Louis, a million times a year. I know when I was looking at the days I can go, I was not even concidering any of the three mentioned teams. I was looking at Colorado, Anaheim, San Jose, and any Eastern Conference team.And the Lions are actually winning, even though they usually sold out most of their games before, or came close. No American Hockey team in any city can compete with the NFL, even Bufallo, Pittsgurgh, and whoever else. It's a sad realization for us Hockey fans.And lastly you have probably heard about the economy in Michigan, mainly in the Detroit area, and how horible it is. Ranked 50th out of the 50 states. So trade in that Nissan of yours for a brand new Chevy, Ford, or Dodge, and help the cause a little.The average attendance will still be as high as most arenas, for the simple fact that the Joe is among the highest in seating capacity in the league.Btw, I watched the Av's game last night, and they looked pretty damn good, (so did the Wings) I would love to meet them in the WCF's this season. That series would definantly help the attendance IMO. I would even go if I could afford it.I'm back,Do you know the reason there are so many Wings fans at other arenas?There are a few, one being the imense # of bandwagon fans we have. The other reason is the large number of people who have left Detroit and found jobs in much more economically stable cities, such as Denver for example. How many Av's fans come to the Joe when they meet? I'd say about the same as the Panther fans that travel to Toronto, hardly any. Thats because people from Denver don't move to Detroit, and I don't blame them.
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Before last years playoffs the Red Wings had sold out every game for 11 straight years. Last year, only Montreal averaged more fans per game than the Wings. So we are far, far from the despair and gloom that sportswriters and Wing haters feed off of. Fer fuchs sake, you would think we were the Nashville Predators or something!!! lolAnyway, I have long moved away from Detroit (and yes I am happy about that overall) but I do remember how things work. The rich get richer and good hard-working people lose jobs. Those Wings fans who can afford to fly out to Colorado and catch a game are probably responsible for some of those empty seats at the Joe. If they can downsize and fire 10 good people so that they can fly to Colorado and catch a hockey game as one of their 3 vacations, why not? And where does that leave the average Joe? Well, if you lose your job and can hardly afford to pay your mortgage, then you don't really care about $90 hockey tickets for your family of 4. Its easy to laugh and call someplace a dump that you have never been to - or to make light of people struggling that are half a country away(not that you did Mike), but there are good people getting screwed over there. It could be the jobs in your town next, just ask anyone who used to work in the Pittsburgh steel industry.
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